I recently wrote a post about the fact that community management comes with a new kind of stress.
It’s a different type of stress that many of us have not experienced in previous positions. There were quite a few interesting comments on that post and all were empathetic.
Emersondirect wrote: “The problem is, that your users have no such accountability and if they did, would not behave that way.”
Mark O. wrote: “I’ve been the Community Manager for Buzznet for a while now and I can’t even begin to list or explain the abuse I’ve gotten from people. Harassment, hundreds of angry emails, death threats, homophobic rants…”
And in reference to the various types of stress described in the post, Steph wrote: “I think you just described my life at the end there…”
That brings me to this. Today I received an e-mail from a user who called me the “n-word.” But it wasn’t just the n-word. After that, came the “b-word.” I guess she was trying to kill two birds with one stone. I am not blogging about this for sympathy because I don’t need it. I don’t need it because I give her words no power.
I’m blogging about this because it further indicates how far people will go under the cloak of anonymity. It also gives me the fuel to keep building my community because there are people out there, like this woman (who is masquerading as a man in the e-mail) who desperately want to see it fail and live to wreak havoc on the members who make it a good place.
Am I a little miffed? Somewhat. But, I’m more annoyed than anything. That isn’t something you expect to have to deal with or see, particularly in the workplace. But, life goes on, and I’ll continue to do what I do, and do it well.
Flickr community manager Heather Champ got it right when she said this: Being a community manager is like being a pinata. People beat you with sticks and you still have to give them candy.
I couldn’t agree more.
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October 3, 2008 at 8:43 pm
marc meyer
Well, I’m sitting here shaking my head. The depths that humans, if that’s what we’re to describe this person as, will go to. And for what? It’s an online community. People feel that because they’re online that they can behave anyway they want. And you’re right Angela, the cloak of anonymity is certainly a motivating factor for such behavior but chances are this person is in a place neither you nor I will ever occupy.
October 3, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Angela Connor
And thank goodness for that Marc, right? We certainly don’t want to occupy THAT kind of space.
October 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm
chrisbrogan
That ending quote is priceless. I’ve never heard that before, but it’s definitely what it feels like.
One thing I did while being a community manager was that I kept a private blog (tumblr) where I just vented. I let it alllll out there. It was a way to type out my feelings but not run the risk of burning my community due to a few bad eggs.
People can be total toolbags, and it always has something to do with them, and rarely anything to do with you. It’s hard to brush it off, and yet, it’s imperative that you do so. You’re not their target. You’re just a mailbox on a country road while they have a bat.
Stay upright. You’re good people.
October 6, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Liz Strauss
I’m delighted that you give the words no power. Still it’s sad that rather than “thank yous,” you get kicks in the knees. It’s the good days and standing back that make garden worth the weeds.
I’m sitting think of the genius of the person who designed the troll dolls to have a perpetual bad hair day and no clothes. From this day forward, I’m taking my joy from that.
October 6, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Hani Hong
I highly recommend this wonderful book for everyone, not just your (ab)user: “Choosing Civility” by Dr. P.M. Forni (it’s on google books here: http://tinyurl.com/4ump8w ).
Having a faceless bully in your community is no fun. Maybe they’ve had a bad day? Maybe they had a moment of cowardice under stress? Maybe they’re sorry for what they said? It’s sociologically curious why anyone would step into a community and make such base attacks in public.
I’ve been watching a lot of political videos on youtube lately and the behavior on both sides is appalling. The personal attacks really have to be brushed off. Call me naive, but I just don’t understand how others can make such incredibly mean nasty things to someone they’ve never met. I wonder if it ever occurs to them that the person they are attacking might one day be the surgeon who saves their child’s life.
October 6, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Angela Connor
@Chrisbrogan: You always have good advice. A place to vent is definitely a helpful tool. Thanks for the kind words.
@Liz Strauss: You’re right, it’s sad but it’s to be expected when one dons that invisible cloak, I suppose.
@Hani Hong: Thanks for the tip on the book. I’ll be sure to read it.
October 6, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Harold
It’s sometimes difficult spending time in online communities because there’s so much thoughtless commenting going on; what keeps me coming back are the thoughtful comments, which are often more well-constructed than those you’d find in offline communities. All in all I believe the latter texts still outweigh the former, but we have to keep vigilant less we end up with the world’s greatest (read:worst) graffiti wall.
October 6, 2008 at 4:19 pm
TR @ WSB
I need to read your site more often. We manage a community, if that’s the way to put it, as part of our neighborhood news website – commenters plus growing forums – and while it brings us some of our greatest joys, and some of the most interesting content on our site, on occasion it brings us our greatest headaches.
We have some very clear but simple rules – namecalling is not allowed, for example; you can say “that idea is stupid” but not “you are stupid” within a discussion. And I am frequently hit with e-mail from a few provocateurs who claim we are not enforcing the rules equally (and of course call US names as a result), while I in turn point out that we have stated over and over again, if a post violates the rules, it needs to be flagged – but if someone doesn’t flag a violator, I may never see it – but it may truly be, what they consider a violation is NOT a violation. I am very intent on having some rules, though; there are online “communities” in our city that have devolved in a horrifying way – communities related to sites owned by large media concerns, which in my opinion have no excuse for not at least TRYING to keep them weeded, unless they really just don’t care.
October 6, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Brady Wood
I am new to the community manager world. I can’t wait for the threats.
I hate to here about a complete failure of human communication. It still breaks me every time I have one of those encounters. Maybe we all should just flood her inbox with love!!!
October 6, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Jeremy
Hi Angela,
I started a UGC site for apartment renters to rate/review their apartments, so I know EXACTLY what you’re talking about.
I found solace in the fact that it’s the law of numbers… even if there are only .01% crackpots out there, if you have 10M visitors per year on your site, you’re going to hear from 100 of them. That’s 8 per month and 2 per week.
What helped me was to post a page with kudos and thank you notes from users. Anytime you get one, add it to the page. And when you’re annoyed go read the comments and you’ll remember how you’re helping the other 99.99% of people.
October 7, 2008 at 1:36 am
Angela Connor
@Harold: I would agree. There is a lot of good taking place in online communities. This is an example of the bad, but the good that I encounter daily is much more indicative of the community as a whole.
@TR@WSB: I would gladly brainstorm ideas with you about policies regarding UGC. Let’s talk.
@Brady Wood: The bad will come soon enough. Just be ready for it and know how you’ll deal with it. Keep me posted.
@Jeremy: I like the idea about the kudos page. I try to post a blog called “What’s in my Inbox” every month so people can see some of the things I’m up against and the crazy complaints. They actually begin to see how problematic community management can be and how childish some of the complaints are. I didn’t know it would have that effect but I’m glad it does.
October 9, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Mike Pascucci
Angela,
I just started reading your blog and will ensure to keep reading in the future. Having thick skin is one of the most important job requirements for any Moderator.
You have to look at these types of people as discrediting themselves with almost every word that they post. These types of individuals are obviously thriving on the fact that they can be anonymous (or try to as much as possible) and hide behind a user ID. You have to realize that 99.999% of these people (IMO) would never do this in their day-to-day life.
It is funny that in my last job, we would sometimes reach out to these people, and have a conversation with them on the phone, and they would act and communicate just fine, but when they go online, they do not hold back. They feel enticed to let it all out. Is it that they are just acting the way that they really feel? Or are they just trying to be noticed in a sea of infinity?
As time moves on, I honestly hope that more and more people treat the internet and their activities as they would their everyday life.
Mike Pascucci
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December 26, 2008 at 12:52 am
Nicky Jameson
Just came across your this post. Sorry you were on the end of that uncalled for abuse. Sadly there are always those who will seek to stir up trouble and just be disrutive, disrespectful and a plain nuisance. I’ve found one of the most effective ways of putting a full stop to that is with some clear rules for the community. On both my blogs I have detailed disclaimers. The disclaimers state what I will and won’t allow on the blogs, such as name calling, racist and personal remarks and other disruptive stuff. On my personal blog (which is a little more controversial for some) before I had my disclaimer the trolls would routinely come along to stir up trouble. In most cases I’d give them a little benefit of the doubt, referred them to”the rules” then, if they persisted I deleted their offensive comments, then banned them.
I leave 99.9% of comments up, but I consider the overall community is more important than a flamer/troll and so I am quite up front that it won’t be tolerated. People want to discuss their views without being personally attacked. It’s up to me to ensure they can.
Disagreement with comments and opinion is fine, even welcomed – verbal abuse, trolling and personal attacks and name calling are not fine and I won’t have it. Respect for others and myself as the blog owner is mandatory… if it’s too much for some I prefer them to stay away. I don’t moderate comments.
Besides, I don’t have the time nor energy to waste on trolls, neither do my readers.
I am happy to say that the trolls stay well away and I’ve had zero problems since and readers love it. Or maybe they just lurk. At any rate, anonymous or not, if they don’t abide by the blog rules they aren’t welcome and their posts will be removed.
Hope the incident you had then was your last… keep up the good work.
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December 23, 2009 at 10:37 am
Alesa
You get paid to do a job. Do you realize that anyone who manages a forum, I’m talking to a lot of volunteers out there who maintain forums in different parts of the industry, get all that abuse and work for free? Suck it up. At least you get a shiny paycheck at the end of the day. There are those of us who do this because we LOVE it and the passion drives us rather then the $$$.
December 23, 2009 at 10:49 am
Angela Connor
Hi there Alesa: I have sucked it up, trust me. I do a great job with that aspect of my job. But I do use my blog to vent and to inform others on what this type of work can bring. I also believe that no community or forum is the same. In fact, one cold argue that forums are a different beast altogether. We all have similar experiences but none are the same.
March 22, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Valentina
I’m a community manager for the Denver Momslikeme.com and I can’t believe I’m just reading this! Very refreshing to find a group of folks that get what we go through.
March 23, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Angela Connor
Hi Valentina: There are a WHOLE bunch of us who experience this kind of craziness and abuse. You certainly are not alone. Thanks for the comment!
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