It is very rare for me to devote a post on my blog to dismantling another posted elsewhere on the web. And I’m not going to do that exactly, but I wouldn’t be able to rest if I didn’t share this misguided post on Advertising Age with those who value community management and work their butts off daily trying to grow an online community. These are people who I know read my blog. So be sure to read that AdAge post and all the comments when you can.
First off, this is not to bash the author. It really isn’t. But I do want to applaud the people who spoke up against claims that “out of work copywriter’s and journalists can reinvent themselves as social-media brand advocates,” as if this is an easy task.
Secondly, can we stop the madness about Twitter, Facebook and Linked-In savvy as enough training for the role of community manager? It is much more difficult than that!
And the checklist in the article is a bit of an insult.
Do you subscribe to RSS feeds?
What e-mail service do you use?
Do you have a blog?
In fairness, the other six are important, but again it is much bigger than this. I will let you read the post for yourself, but the good stuff is in the comments.
Just to pull out a few….this was posted by a user anamed JulieWalker:
Interesting article and comments – most of which refelct the lack of understanding of community management within the marketing services industry.
Community management and moderation services have been in existance since the late 80′s when online communities, online strategy games and bulletin boards went live. Since then professional community management and online moderation companies have evolved. These include http://www.emoderation.com/ (UK and US) and www.tempero.co.uk (UK for international clients) two of the leading online moderation companies. In addition other full time community management professionals have been employed by leading brands to ensure the safety of children online (if their online community is focused on children and teens for example habbo hotel and the penguin club).
Professionals have come from many backgrounds into this area and it is growing however – their core skills sets are not facebook, twitter or linkedin…….
These social tools are lightweight tools which when used create more value for those networks than for the individual brands using them – these are merely other channels where conversations can take plce – but they are not the core places for conversations around brands to take place.
Moving into community management is not an easy move – there is more to it than managing a twitter and facebook account – dont be fooled – do your research and find out if it is a career you are interested in – most community managers I know are passionate about what they do and that is key to being successful.
AMEN, JULIE! And here’s another posted by a user named Jeepers:
There is so much wrong with this article I’m not even sure where to start. Is it actually supposed to be a serious piece?
The entire thing displays staggering ignorance of the role it beggers belief.
1. Community Managers have been sweating away behind the scenes for close to 2 decades now, the fact that the advertising world had just discovered the role doesn’t make it new.
2. It takes more than a Twitter account and a ‘personal brand’ to make a Community Manager. The fact that the author even mentions a ‘personal brand’ (and what a load of meaningless ad speak that phrase is) as an important attribute is hilarious. Good Community Managers show their worth in a trail of healthy communities, not a smokescreen of self-promoting twaddle.
3. A number of key skills for community management didn’t even get a mention in the article. How about people management? What about awareness of safety issues? And that thorny little subject of customer service?
4. Brand advocate. A nice little phrase tossed around by people who generally don’t give a flying whatsit about the customer. A good Community Manager is a customer advocate and that knowledge can aid in keeping the brand healthy.
I will be so glad when community management is no longer flavour of the month and those of us who know what we’re doing, and have worked in this field for years (even decades), can be left by the chattering classes to get on with what we do best.
I am not saying that out-of-work journalists cannot do this job. Heck, I’m a journalist and I think that many of the skills journalists posses come into play heavily in community m anagement. But it isn’t something you can just jump into and think you’ll do a bang-up job.
Let’s be a bit more respectful of the craft.











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January 4, 2010 at 3:58 pm
David
Thanks for sharing. I never thought community management was easy. But I’m certainly in an interesting place as the creator of a product – and the marketer. In which respect is the community more useful/valuable? I think I’ve struck a good balance, but it’s certainly a lot more work than anticipated.
January 4, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Angela Connor
Hi David: Yes, you are in an interesting place. Community managers have to wear so many hats it’s easy to lose count. It sounds like you have a handle on the fact that it does require the work, and that is a good thing. thanks for taking the time to comment.
January 4, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Robert Stanke
I read that article too and also thought it was a joke! Thanks for posting this, in hopes that some of us can start to get others to understand what we do!
Bob Stanke
January 4, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Angela Connor
Hey Robert: I had that article on my radar since the day it was posted and I just couldn’t let it go. Glad you agree. Walk a mile in our shoes and see where it gets you, right?
January 4, 2010 at 5:52 pm
stalyangames
I came across your post by chance, as I actually posted some stuff that keeps some similitudes with what’s being said here (at least in essence). I laughed hard at this Twitter, Facebook, and Social Media madness as if it was the focal point of the CM duties, skills and knowledge. Companies look for a CM that is able to talk loud some words as ‘Web 2.0′ and ‘New Social Trends’… this is a clear indicator that even the job of CM has been around for almost 20 decades, its core fundamentals are still not well known amongst many people… actually, even CMs themselves are still trying to put into words what they intuitively know about Community Management and all what encompasses, as the role might greatly vary depending on the company they are working at… so it’s somehow normal that many people do not grasp what’s all about yet, but ‘Once upon a time’… it will eventually ocurr.
January 4, 2010 at 6:09 pm
Sue John
I couldn’t agree more Angela. I actually touched on that in my latest blog entry today. Thanks for highlighting it. It is a great idea that someone is thinking out of the box, but Community Management shouldn’t be a back-up job as that article seemed to allude to.
January 4, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Andrea
Great post, Angela! I saw this article too and felt a bit annoyed. I used to work in advertising and wonder how members of that profession would feel about someone saying that it’s easy for any ex-journalist to become a copywriter, for example. Or anyone who watches television to be great at producing 15-second commercials.
What’s equally disturbing about this is the number of non-ad business owners and senior managers who read this publication and may get the wrong idea about what community management is and who they should hire for the role. The best people to participate in and lead social media for a brand are senior executives, not a newly-hired career-changer.
January 5, 2010 at 4:35 am
Netvalar
I haven’t gone and read the article I might not even do so.
However I wanted to comment as it isn’t just those who are looking into working as community managers who have it all wrong. But also many companies who think they want a community manager have no idea what a community manager really is.
I have seen help ads that basically are just looking for a social media personel. I have seen ads that are just looking for a community inspiration person.
Though a community manger works on both of those areas. The most important aspect in my opinion is the customer service, customer guidance, and customer advocate. If all a company wants is someone to manage their social media presence they need to not use the term community manager.
Then again I think the community manager position has evolved to the point where it needs to be a department with several employees.
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January 5, 2010 at 10:41 am
Maggie McGary
GREAT post–I thought the same thing when I read that article in Advertising Age but didn’t take the time to comment. I think the problem is that the titles “community manager” and “social media manager” are becoming synonomous when, in fact, they are not the same. As you say, community management is a position that’s been around for decades; social media manager is a new position that means, well, who knows what–anything from intern to executive.
I say this as someone whose title is “online community & social media manager”–a new position whose value is still debatable to many. But as you say–the skills required to do the job go well beyond just knowing how to use Facebook and Twitter.
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January 5, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Pia Simeoni
Angela, thank you for the great post. It was an eye-opener for me. I was one who thought that community manager and social media manager were one in the same. I’m vying for a particular online community manager position (Online Community Manager is the job title) but the position’s main focus is social media. People (like me) tend to forget about the online communities that have been around for decades because of all the hype around social media.
January 12, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Deborah Gemmell
Angela, as an Online Community Manager I totally agree with your comments. Many people still don’t really understand what and online community is and what a manager of such communities does – as indicated in the blog you refer to. I wonder why people write about things they don’t understand? Hopefully, ‘enlightenment’ will become more widespread.
February 16, 2010 at 12:32 am
Dave
Angela,
I had to laugh as I read your article. Not because you’re wrong, but because you’re so right. And I’m learning it first hand. I am an out of work copywriter who helped launch a WOM function as a hybrid discipline at a traditional agency between the PR department and the creative department. While that project was (and still is) very successful, I thought I knew what I needed to know to take that experience and call myself qualified to be a social media/community manager.
Couldn’t have been more wrong. But I’m a fast learner, and not at all married to my old way of doing things.
Fortunately, I’ve found an organization that’s willing to grow with me and I’m in a great situation. For the first couple months, I found myself completely overwhelmed. I’m just now starting to hit a stride and to all the people who commented on this post before me, this is one (formerly) out of work copywriter who’s eyes have been opened.
That being said, I love this work. I couldn’t go back to writing print ads if I tried.
February 17, 2010 at 4:03 pm
Angela Connor
Hi Dave: It is very common to be overwhelmed at first and the feeling can come back at any given time so consider yourself forewarned. LOL! I’m glad you’ve found a company that you can grow with and that understand the issues that come along with this work. There will be days when you feel so completely alone and others when you are on top of the world. All the best of luck to you and feel free to bounce ideas off of me or shoot me an email.